Redux.
I know I have written about ciabatta bread before, and I have the video up on YouTube. Yes. It should be enough. But until everyone I know is making their own bread, it is not enough. This ciabatta bread is so easy, I just won’t rest until you try it. So please, just comply. It will save me nag time.
Another thing:
Traditional ciabatta bread is made a little differently. I have made it that way, and I have made it this way. The traditional ciabatta bread is supposed to be better. Have more flavor. Better crumb.
Blah. blah. blah.
I just can’t tell the difference.
Maybe I’m just too rough around the edges.
Or dumb.
Uncouth.
Unsophisticated palatte.
Whatever.
I guess my point is, unless you are more refined than I, you won’t notice the difference either. So why go to the extra trouble when you can make it so quickly and easily? I keep coming back to my fast recipe. Start it in the morning, eat it in the afternoon, gone by nightfall. Go to bed. Repeat.
Anyway, I just thought that maybe if I posted pictures, instead of a video, maybe more people would read it and be engaged. Are videos off-putting? I have no idea…
I also think that maybe my weight version of the recipe could be off-putting. So I’ve tried to make it easy for regular volume measurement baking.
But you do need a stand mixer. So, if you don’t have one of those, and still want to make this bread, visit thefreshloaf.com and search ‘ciabatta no mixer’. There are lots of amish-types over there making it successfully by hand. And they probably have really nice looking, muscular arms, too.
Not me. I got a nice cherry red mixer so that I can have nice, puffy, shapeless arms.
Set up: Put a baking stone to go across one oven rack. If not using a stone, then plan to bake the ciabatta directly on a sheet pan/cookie sheet lined with parchment paper. Plan to add a few minutes to the baking time if not using a stone.
If using steam (which contributes to slightly more rise and a thinner, crisper crust), place a medium cast iron fry pan in the bottom of the oven which you preheat in the overn and pour hot water in to create steam.
Go get some bread flour, salt and instant yeast (I use SAF instant yeast).
Measure 3-5/8 cups of flour (500 grams) into the stand mixer bowl, add 2 teaspoons of salt (10 grams) and 1 teaspoon of yeast. Then add 2-1/8 cups of tepid water (485 grams). Mix on low with the regular paddle attachment for about 3 minutes and let stand about 20 minutes. [When I’m in a rush, I skip this step, having no idea what the purpose of it is.]
After the rest, turn the mixer to high (speed 8 on a KitchenAid) until the dough starts to crawl up the paddle. Wait too long and you’ll have a mess on your hands, so watch carefully. I recommend a Mukka Latte and the newspaper to pass the time.
Once the dough begins to climb, clean the paddle off and switch to the hook, resuming mixing on medium high speed until dough begins to whack around the sides of the bowl and stay together, mostly clearing the sides of the bowl.
Pour into a greased container and cover either with a lid or plastic wrap.
Allow to rise as long as it takes to more than double the volume. For me it takes about 3-4 hours in the cooler months when my kitchen is about 66-67 degrees. It takes much less time in warmer months.
After it has more than doubled, dust the work surface well with flour and pour the dough out.
Flour the dough generously. Divide the dough into two equal pieces. Using two bench scrapers (big hand-held spatulas), lift, pull and stretch the dough, folding it over on itself once in every direction.
Flour well once more and cover well with a kitchen towel for 30 minutes.
Turn your oven on to 500 degrees around this time. Stretch and fold each piece once more then, using your knuckles, gently pound out the bubbles and mostly deflate the dough (bottom left photo). Dust more flour across the tops when your knuckles start to stick. Don’t obsess about adding too much or too little flour. It will be impossible to completely flatten it — and you wouldn’t want to. What you are doing here is getting rid of the bigger bubbles so that you don’t have big, gaping holes in your baked bread. Even when you take this step, though, big bubbles do sometimes happen. After deflating, use the bench scraper, dust loaves well with flour again and coax the dough into the final shape of the loaves. Cover again for 30 minutes.
Dust a large sheet of parchment paper set on top of a similar sized cutting board, with flour. Using two bench scrapers (or any other MacGiver-type apparatus that works), scoop/pinch a loaf up/together and flip upside down onto the floured parchment. Dust the top with flour again, dip the scrapers into the flour and coax back into a nice loaf shape. Repeat for the other loaf. Dust with flour again before baking.
If using steam, fill a cup with about 3/4 cup warm/hot water and have it ready. Slide the loaves, along with the parchment onto the baking stone. Then carefully pour the hot water into the cast iron pan below. Shut the oven door and set the timer for about 8 minutes. You’ll want to keep an eye on things, however. I moved my loaves from front to back about 3/4 of the way through the baking time because the rear position tends to burn. You will learn your oven better after you make bread a couple times. 500 degrees is hot and things are a little more intense at that temp.
When the loaves are well browned, remove to a cooling rack. Internal temp should be at least 200 degrees. Let loaves cool completely before cutting. If you can’t wait, just know that the bread will compress if you cut it before it is cooled and the interior will be a little damp and mooshed. [But it will still taste good.]
admin says
Really! Thanks for the link. I’ll give it a try and let you know what I think.
-Jennie
BellesAZ says
I used to be a huge fan of King Arthur.. then someone suggested I at least give it a try. At $5.00 for a 5lb bag for KAF, I was ready to make the switch. I’m so glad I did. I also discovered that Honeyville has a retail store near my home. I went there and all the flours they have are there.. including 00 and anything else you might want. Kind of strange though.. they have all kinds of survivalist stuff there.. like water storage TANKS and solar ovens. Funky.
kelly ishmael says
hi jen. just wanted to say thanks for your informative video and website instructions. i made the bread last weekend (http://mindingmynest.wordpress.com/2011/01/17/if-at-first-you-dont-succeed/) and it turned out really well. i made it again today using AP king aurthur and only folded and rested once for 45 minutes. it came out perfectly. just was i was hoping for.
i thoroughly enjoy your website and hilarious stories about your family and pets.
cheers! kelly
Ron Mayes says
Jen:
Thanks for your video. I have made every effort to follow your recipe and technique (That’s Alotta Ciabatta).
Summary – While it has been fun, for whatever reason, my bread does not rise to the extent yours does (once in the oven) and the size of the holes in the final Ciabatta are pathetic (much smaller) compared to those in your video. I am using a Kitchen Aid mixer, King Arthur Bread flour and a rapid rise yeast (not SAF). I have checked my oven temp (500 degrees F when the bread goes in)
The first hint that my dough is not like yours is that despite trying water levels from 450 to 500 grams, I cannot get my dough to totally separate from the Kitchen Aid bowl…it comes very close to separating, but after 18 minutes total mixing I just figure that very close is as good as it is going to get and turn the mixer off. On the plus side, the dough is totally smooth and elastic. I have never seen dough that stretches like this stuff does!
If you could make a flour recommendation, I would appreciate. I will also try SAF yeast. If you have any other comments, questions or suggestions, I am listening.
Thanks Much
Ron
Jenmenke says
Hi Ron, that is a puzzle. Sounds like you are doing all the right things. Have you been using the same yeast throughout? The first thing to suspect is always the yeast. Much like the husband when the wife goes missing.
Because that is so obvious, I’m assuming you’ve purchased new yeast and eliminated that as a suspect. If not, that would be the first thing to check. The next is that rapid rise yeast is slightly different than instant. You can use them interchangeably, but you will need more of the rapid rise. Instant is designed to go into the dry ingredients. Rapid Rise is usually “proofed” first and mixed into the wet ingredients. Either way, though, you do about a 1/2t more of the rapid rise to make up for it’s lower potency.
When you say it isn’t separating, do you mean coming clean from the side of the bowl at the end of the mixing? I wonder if the size of the bowl makes any difference… I use regular bread flour from Costco usually, but I’ve used King Arthur and not had a problem. I do know it has a higher protein content…
My next suggestion would be to use LESS than 450 gm of water. But.. if you ask me,
it’s the yeast. It’s always the yeast.
Just ask Columbo.
BellesAZ says
Ron, I can add a couple of my thoughts.. if you don’t mind.
Besides the yeast issue, which may cause you some problems – you should invest in Instant Yeast as the recipe calls for… but, I don’t think you’re letting your mixer run long enough. 18 minutes is way less than what I mix mine for. I go about 25-30 mins in my KA at times. The directions from the Fresh Loaf website recommends longer mix times than 18 minutes.. but I suppose each one can be very different. With your results.. I’d go longer. You don’t say what speed on the KA you’re using.. whether you are using the paddle or the dough hook. If you’re using the dough hook try using the paddle.. for some or all of the mix, it doesn’t matter, but you just have to watch the dough as it tends to creep up the paddle unless you’re watching it carefully. Secondly, the speed must be the highest speed on your KA.
When I make this bread using my other machine, my Electrolux, I can never quite get the good results as I do when I use my KitchenAid. I suspect it is the speed at which it beats the dough and the length of time it’s being beaten for.
In all likelihood, you will get better results with instant yeast, faster speeds/longer mix times. I personally don’t like King Arthur Flours, but that’s just me. I find that unbleached flour performs better, but the brand Better for Bread is also a good performer. I use Honeyville and love the flavor, texture and performance.
By chance, are you using tap water with alot of flouride or chemicals? Or is your water from a home filtration or R/O system? Ive heard that some people have problems with their water. My water is filtered through a Reverse Osmosis system and I have never had problems, so I’m not sure this is a wives tale or what.. but you might try some bottled water sometime.. just a final thought. Good luck!
Ron Mayes says
Thanks Jen and BellesAZ for your comments. Hopefully I will have a chance to give your suggestions a try this weekend. I ordered some SAF yeast today. Sounds like concentrating on the usual suspect(s) might get me somewhere.
Ron
Ron Mayes says
Ciabatta success!!!!
Thanks again. I changed to SAF yeast. Voila, my first batch was remarkably improved. Spurred on by success, went full bore. Headed over to Costco and bought their bread flour….50 pounds is the minimum purchase….and, yes, even better results.
Being a former chemistry teacher, had to think about what is going on here. IMHO, here is what is happening when a good ciabatta is produced with large holes. The instant yeast provides the quickest gas generation of any yeast. Once in tne hot oven, gas volume increases both because of the heat and because of the instant yeast continuing to generate the carbon dioxide. Small bubbles form initially, strengthened by the gluten in the dough. However, because of the rapid increase in gas volume and the wet dough, the small bubbles are not stable enough to hold the gas. Therefore they burst, forming larger bubbles.
This is why the rapid yeast I was using prior to the SAF formed great looking bread but with small bubbles. The gas generation was slow enough that the bubbles could easily hold the gas…..they did not burst to form larger bubbles. Once the rapid rise yeast was swapped out for instant yeast, the gluten in the King Arthur flour couldn’t quite keep up with the rapid gas volume increase, so the small bubbles burst to form larger bubbles. Then, when lower gluten Costco bread flour was used in place of the KA bread flour, the bubbles were even less stable (because of the lower gluten in Costco flour). Therefore, an increased amount of larger bubbles formed with the rapid gas generation.
Well, that is my reasoning, which may or may not be correct or square with your actual experience. Nevertheless. Thank you. Your comments really helped.
Ron
kelly ishmael says
hey ron. i’ve been following along with your comments here. i switched to SAF yeast as well and the quality of my bread improved dramatically. i especially loved your great info about the difference in bread flour too. i’ve started to use KA AP flour almost exclusively. i read somewhere that in some fancy-pants, blind taste test, KA AP flour was chosen as the flour that best reproduced the taste and texture as that found in “authentic” parisian baguettes. at any rate – i have to agree with jen that being able to make great bread at home is something akin to having super powers and makes people think you have it all going on. which in my case is absolutely LOL hysterical. cheers! kelly
Azra says
Jennie,
I came across your blog today in my search for a ciabatta recipe. Your blog is so fun to read. I love your sense of humor. I’m going to give it a try today. I hope my yeast is as good as what you’re using.
Thank you!
Azra
BellesAZ says
Jennie.. DON’T DO IT!! Once you do, you’re hooked! There is also a huge discussion of this bread over at The Fresh Loaf. If you get a chance, though.. watch Jen’s video. It really is one of the best I’ve ever seen and she makes it so simple to master. Get new instant yeast for this recipe.. if you have doubts about your instant yeast. Then go treat yourself to a new brick of SAF Instant Yeast and keep it in your refrigerator. You’ll be glad you did. My yeast lasts a LONG LONG time!
admin says
Thanks Azra! I can’t wait to hear how it goes. I love bread evangelizing! So much less scary than real evangelizing! 🙂
BellesAZ: I’m Jennie and Jen. So who are you saying “don’t do it!” too? I’m confuse-ed. You must mean Azra.
BellesAZ says
Jen, I had a massive brain fart.. those things happen.
I was joking with Azra.. once you make this bread, you’re hooked! Sorry for the confusion!
Azra says
BellesAZ and Jennie, I DID it! Oh my, this recipe is easy and the bread turned out great. Very light and bubbly! I’m so happy with this recipe esspecially that I didn’t have to wait 12 or more hours for it to rise. The first time I made it last week I actually baked it at 425F because I was a little scared of the 500F. It was done in 30 minutes but it turned out great. Since then, I’ve made it 3 more times. I’m hooked. Today I actually tried adding a little whole wheat. If I’m going to be eating this much bread, I wanted to ease my guilt by adding little something for the heart. Surprisingly, it was still very light and bubbly. I’ve added a little less than a cup of whole wheat. Oh and by the way, I’m also skipping that first “rest” period that Jennie skips when she’s in hurry. Oh, thank you Jennie for an awesome recipe. I can’t wait to show my mom and sister and everyone I know!
Azra
Azra says
I’ve also double the amount of yeast because I wasn’t sure how my yeast stacks up against SAF yeast. Even with 2 tsp I couldn’t taste it in my bread, so that’s good. I wonder if I would get same results with just the prescribed amount? I also keep my yeast in fridge. I’ve separated my 1-lb yeast package into those small baby food jars in hopes that it will stay fresh longer. I also keep all these jars in a ziplock bag to keep moisture out.
BellesAZ says
There is something special about the bread when it is baked in a high temperature oven. I love the extra crispiness of the edge and the taste of REAL bread crust that has a borderline burn taste that is so delicious. Don’t be afraid of a high oven.. your bread won’t catch on fire! I think it helps with the hole expansion as well.
I keep all my yeast in one jar – no muss no fuss. It’s in one of those nicely sealed jars with the flip lock lever. Sometimes it sits on my counter for a couple of days before I realize it needs to go in the refrigerator. I am a yeast abuser 🙂 There is no need to double the yeast if your yeast is fresh. Fresh SAF and Fresh other brand should net you the same results.
Rou Dewaal says
I love this recipe! It was perfect the first time, second time, third time…Thank you so much! I will make this at least 1000 more times.
admin says
So happy to hear that! Given that Minnesota has been having 81 degree dew points and 115 heat indexes, bread hasn’t been in my recent history. So I’m glad someone is. Now go try the baguette recipe. It’s even easier.
Heyjami says
Ahhh… this post brings back memories of last summer when I overheated my kitchen to make bread! This summer I’m not eating breads or starches so it doesn’t make much sense to make fresh, enticing bread. But I can dream about it… I’ll be fresh bread baking again 3 weeks after autumn hits. After I get all this junk outta my trunk. 😉
eastcoastjac says
In a bit of a rush, I decide to skip the 2nd rising. Made my dough a little firmer and poured it directly onto my greased baking plate and let it rise. Sprinkled with extra flour, and then I popped it into a HOT oven till a good colour and hollow sound resulted.
I know – not the real thing by any means, but a reasonably yummy substitute in a short time. Fab with my lasagne, and my kids actually declared it better than the store bough ciabatta we’d had the night before.
I’ll definately try doing it “the right way” next time and see what the difference is 🙂
Jenmenke says
Awesome eastcoastjac! I, too, have hurried it along before and found it to work just fine. Maybe not quite as airy. But great nevertheless!
Steve Southard. says
Been meaning to comment on the subject of dropping the second rise for a very long time. I’ve not done the second rise since the second time I made the recipe. Honestly I didn’t have a Gap nag handy. here are some modifications I’ve made which gives me two loafs or one loaf and a medium pizza in under two hours and I see no differience in loft or texture. I follow the recipe pretty close up through the kneading stage but I set my mixer on full high. I also use a couple of 25lb sandbags that I have from my photo studio. I use these to lock down the mixer freeing me to move about the house even during the initial paddle stage. I know Jen would agree that there is a discribe sound the dough and mixer make when it starts to climb the paddle. It sort of fliers and teases and then settles in to the real sound and you get attuned to it after awhile if you make a lot of ciabatta. After the hook goes on I set it on high, set the timer for 11 minutes and walk away confident that my sandbags will keep my Kitchen Aid from dancing off the counter. It’s amazing how much you can get done elsewhere in 11 minutes! Why you can respond to at least nine Facebook posts. LOL.
While the kneading, I’ve turned the electric oven on warm and placed a large crock container in it and set another timer for three minutes. I pull the crock out after three, turn the oven off and turn the light on. I my oven it gets to about 120 which is perfect for forcing a fast rise. I butter up the warm crock and toss in the dough, cover with saran wrap and into the oven for one hour b in the summer it goes out into the sun. Min of 80 degrees for that though. I shape my loafs Judy like Jen does but I use parchment paper on a wooden peel for transferring to ston in oven. The dough sits part of the time in the container while the overcomes to 500 and part of the time getting shaped.
One thing folks should try is making pIzza with this dough. I make WAY more pizza than bread loafs with it. It’s fantastic. Just use lots of flour and roll it out. As wet as it is, if you use enough flour you can easily roll it out, fold it into quarters and the transfer to parchment on peel and unfold. I’ve never had it stick. The pizza crust is bubbly and chewy the way I like it.
Steve Southard. says
Oops meant to type Gap “bag”. LOL. Typed it on the iPhone so I’m sure there ate tons of typos- sorry.
Steve Southard. says
I really hate the auto correct feature on these phones. Fliers and teases? Really?
Heyjami says
That’s a lot of typing on an iphone Steve… and great info, thanks!
(I’m not sure I’d bother with a pair of 25 lb sand bags – just put the Cuisinart on the ground and let it wander!)
Steve Southard says
Great idea Heyjami! You could strap a mop head to the bottom and let it mop the floor as it skitters around. Yeah the sandbags are definitely not for everyone and not even for me every time I bake this recipe. It’s a pain (literally) to haul them into the house for this.
Steve
MikeD says
Nice method. I’m compelled to point out, though, that “ciabatta bread” is like saying “bagel bread” or “shrimp scampi.” Ciabatta is, by definition, bread; as scampi is, by definition, shrimp.
BellesAZ says
Tell that to Emeril Lagasse who just shared his “Shrimp Scampi” recipe. Scampi actually more refers to the size of the “shrimp” and technically it’s considered a prawn, not a shrimp. Bagel is a “style” of bread just as is Ciabatta. I do believe, however, that calling it Ciabatta Bread or a Ciabatta loaf is a commonly accepted term in the culinary world. How about we just enjoy it and forgive the rest of us who choose to call it Ciabatta Bread. No harm, no foul, correct?
admin says
Amen to that Belles.
Lauren says
I made this bread according to your instructions today… so simple, so delicious!! Thank you so much. I’m just starting out with my Kitchen Aid mixer and this was a great recipe for a newbie to follow. I’ll be making it often.
admin says
Awesome!
Gil says
Hi Jennie,
I came across your video on YouTube and then your very nice blog. First I was puzzled by the big amount of water (about 90% to 98%). I have my doubts on how the dough will rise upward and not spread to the sides and be too flat until I’ll try it. I do have some misunderstandings; in your video, you write different amounts of yeast and salt than from your blog. Which one is right? Also, in your video after mixing the dough you let it proof in an oiled bowl and then poor it, divide it and let it proof a second time before introducing it to the oven. In your blog the process is a bit longer – you fold it and proof it a few times before it goes in the oven, so which technique should I use? My other question is on the mixing time, In your video you mix a few minutes, and I read some comments that after 18-20 minutes it doesn’t separate from the bowl. Does the flower type make a difference? And does the yeast type makes a difference on the upward rise? I think I have instant yeast, not the rapid rise one.
Another though of mine was to take some of the flower and water (about 150 g flower and same in water) and make a poolish out of it the day before. Would this make a difference on the result other than the flavor?
jenmenke says
Hi Gil! The differences are the product of the time between making the video and the writing of the blog. Good eye, by the way. No one else has caught that. The salt is personal preference. I like 15 grams, but most recipes call for 10 grams. The yeast… I used 2 tsp for years and it worked just fine. However, practically overnight, I developed an issue with waaaay too big of bubbles. After experimenting, I brought it down to 1 tsp. I made the video long before i wrote this post, so I just left it. Using 1 tsp just takes a bit longer to rise. I also never seem to have the “popping the top off the proofing container” either. I added the stretch and folds during the experimental phase as a way to offset the gigantor bubble problem. I can’t tell you for sure if it adds to the crust or texture of the bread, but I don’t have the massive bubbles anymore, so I’ve kept it in.
As for the mixing time, I believe somewhere I say it is entirely dependent upon your flour, room temp, humidity, etc. Sometimes mine separates from the bowl in a couple minutes and sometimes it takes 5 minutes or even more. Yes, the flour matters to the timing, but either bread flour or all purpose will work with this recipe. Different yeasts will work too, but may take more or less time to rise. A poolish would work, but if you are going to use that, I might be inclined to use a regular ciabatta recipe, rather than this one, whose virtue is the speed at which it is ready to eat!
I agree with you about the recipe — it really shouldn’t work. But it does. Give it a try and let me know how it goes for you. Or, if you have more questions, just let me know.
Gil says
Hi Jennie!
Thank you for your answer. I’ll try it in a couple of weeks since now is not a good time for me, but I’ll write you how it turned out as soon as I’ll try it.
Most people try to find a simple recipe that produces the biggest holes/bubbles. I do understand that after making bread with huge holes more than a few times, you want a more moderate hole – a size you can control. In your quest of trying to control the size of the holes in the crumb have you tried reducing the water quantity? In your video you’ve increased the amount of water from the original recipe, but that was before you that fateful night. I do wonder why did you increase the water amount. You mentioned something about your flour hydration where you live and about how this dough should look like.
Now that I think about it, I do have another question, something that bothered me – after flouring your working surface, you poured the dough and shaped it, then left it to rest for 45 min. My question is how did you manage to scoop the dough without it sticking to the working surface, I mean the flour must have been absorbed in the shaping process not to mention the proofing period.
Thanks again and sorry if my questions seem a bit silly.
Gil
Steve Southard says
Hey Jen, I’ve been meaning to post some thoughts here for a long time and saw Gil’s post and it reminded me. I’ve been using your video method now for what, 2 years now? I make it several times a week and could do it with my eyes closed. Not really. LOL! I wanted to share some ideas I’ve come up with to make it go quicker. First, because I’m a photographer, I have a few 25 lbs canvas sandbags laying around that I used to weigh down my light stands. I’m always trying to find ways to be more efficient and standing around for 10 minutes reading a book while holding down my mixer just…feels wrong. So I decided to try using the sandbags and viola! I’m sure you’ve found that the mixer can be left on it’s on while beating the mixer with the flat beater. The dough makes a very unique sound when it’s preparing the climb up the beater. Am I right? My ears are so attuned to this now that I can be fully engulfed in something in the other room and it’s like a baby making a sound to a mother’s ears. When I attach the hook, I turned it all the way to high again and brace the mixer on both sides with sandbags. Been doing this thrice a week for over a year and have never had it dance even an inch from where I left it. Love it!
Something else I do different is I never do the second rise. I start warming the oven during the first rise and I let it rise a full tripple. That’s pretty much as far as it can go without collapsing. Honestly, I don’t even do it by look but time. It goes in a pretty warm spot (over 100 degrees) either out in half sun half shade in the summer or in the oven after it’s been slightly pre-heated and I just set the timer to one hour and that’s it. I’ll pull it out a little early to preheat the oven with the stone in the winter.
Then I dump it all out onto a floured surface and do one of three things. I cut it in two just like you do but then I either 1. shape two loaves as in your recipe or I’ll set half aside and make a pizza with one half and a loaf with the other or 3. I’ll flatten out both halves separately and make four ciabatta buns with each half. I love chewy pizza crust with gaping holes and this is the best pizza dough I’ve ever used. It’s super easy to work with as long as you dust it well with flour. I’ve even used a marble roller on it with great success but usually just use my hands to push and press it into shape. I’ve even been able to fold it into fourths and unfold it on the pizza peel but usually just place some parchment paper on the peel and do all the shaping right there on the peel. It sticks a little but not much and it’s going to back on the paper anyway so it doesn’t matter.
As you said above, with the changes you’ve incorporated in your own version vs. the longer method, you didn’t see any difference in tast or texture. I’ve had the same experience with the changes I made for my version. Maybe I too am uncouth or have an unsophisticated palette. Just the same, I really want to thank you for that video because it really got me going again with baking and I’ve shared that love with many friends since first I saw your youtube post. You are the queen of ciabatta in my book.
Pictures:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4210401735258&set=a.1398263153551.57483.1141418763&type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3642070607335&set=a.1398263153551.57483.1141418763&type=3&theater
Gil says
Hi,
Please forget my questions. I went away and tried it. It worked. The Ciabatta came out A-M-A-Z-I-N-G.
Thanks again.
admin says
yes. absolutely Steve. I can hear the sound of which you speak just as well as you describe. I, unfortunately do not, however, have large sandbags to help me out once I switch to the hook.
I’m also glad to hear you find the tweaks you’ve made to the recipe to be pretty much indiscernible to the final product. The way you are doing it now is, ironically, very close to Jason’s original recipe. It’s how I started making it before the giant bubble problem presented itself. It’s nice to know, though, that it really is almost fool proof. Don’t you think?
Pics are amazing, by the way!!
admin says
Glad to hear it!
Steve Southard says
Ah!! Now that you mention the big bubbles, I do get those particularly with the buns but honestly I don’t mind it and no one I’ve given them to complains either.
Suzie says
One, I loved watching your videos. They help me tremendously as I pass the lonely emtpy-nest evenings with the dog. Which I rather like as he is allergic to wheat and that leaves everything for me.
Question: On your foolproof baguette video where you use your Cuisinart to mix and knead the dough – are you using the metal chopper blade or the dough blade? I can’t tell and I MUST KNOW. 🙂 Thank you! Love your web-chronicled culinary adventures!
jenmenke says
I don’t show which blade?? Oh dear! Well, to answer your questions: the METAL CHOPPING BLADE, believe it or not. Try it. You won’t believe how easy it is! (and post back)
BellesAZ says
I don’t normally post “product endorsements”, but this time, I just had to. Living in Arizona and churning out beautifully risen bread with the correct heat and moisture is a challenge. In the summer, we have the air conditioning on full blast, and in both summer and winter, our dry desert environment can cause mega problems.
After reading the reviews on this Proofing Box I took the plunge. I have to say, it has completely transformed my baking. I can let dough rise without covering the dough with a lid or a piece of plastic. The moisture level is perfect and the temperature settings are flawless.
Check it out… http://brodandtaylor.com/
Steve Southard says
BellesAZ, THANK YOU for posting that!! Wow! By virtue of the fact it folds down, it just became my Christmas present.
I dread adding yet another gadget or machine to my kitchen arsenal but if I can easily store it, I’m in. No more wanding around the house, laser thermometer in hand, looking for the perfect spot to rise a loaf. I’ve found the computer room is usually the best place in winter though.
BellesAZ says
I’m just like you, Steve. I learned my lesson years ago and try to never buy one off items or specialized equipment like electric egg poachers and pop cake bakers… UGH! But this…. This is definitely on my kitchen list and is just as important as my Electrolux mixer and electronic scale.
It has literally transformed my bread baking. I tested it during our monsoon season and it produced great loaves in spite of the barometric changes.
If you bake breads, this is a must have. Let me know how you like it. Sorry for misdirecting the thread!
jenmenke says
No apologies Belles! We all like to hear about these things!
Steve Southard says
Yeah I live in the San Francisco Bay Area and admittedly the average climate here is pretty easy for baking. However I’m always trying to come up with ways to both streamline my recipes but also make them more consistant. Having a proofing box is something I’ve always wanted. I’ve tried pouring warm water into an ice chest and suspending the loaf over the water and that actually works pretty well to give moist heat but what a pain! LOL! I agree with Jen, no apologies!
Jen, been thinking about you the past week, I’m up in Alberta right now and learning a bit about cold weather.
Angelina says
Re: fast ciabatta bread
Hi Jennie,
First of all thank you so much for sharing this recipe. I made this bread yesterday and was surprised with the outcome of my bread. The crumbs were evenly distributed and felt so great after that. I have seen your video as well. Above website says 10 grams of salt and a teaspoon of yeat. On the other hand, the video says 15 grams of salt and two teaspoons of yeast with the same amount of bread flour and less much difference in water.
Overall, the steps are easy to follow and yield great results. Once again, thank you for sharing this recipe. More power to you.
jenmenke says
So glad you liked it Angelina. Yes, the video and the blog recipe don’t aline perfectly. I’m so sorry if that created confusion for you. I did the videos quite a while ago and I’ve played with the recipe since then. I reduced the yeast when I ran in to a situation where I was developing too many large bubbles. Salt, I’m very loosey-goosey with. I like salty bread, so I use 15, but most people use less: 5-10 grams.
take care!
Tanya says
Hello,
I followed your instruction exactly and got very close to your pictures up until the baking. My bread did not rise as high as yours in 2 minutes (as your video mentioned). I bought lava rock, a 1″ pizza stone hoping to mimic your oven. I placed a pan of lava rock on the bottom rack, a 1″ pizza stone on the top rack (distance from the top look very close to what’s in your picture). I started the oven to 500C and let it be for about 8 minutes before putting the bread in. The bread did not rise as high as yours in 2 minutes. What stone do you have? I wonder if that’s what it is.
jenmenke says
Hi Tanya! My stone is very basic. Mine tend to break, so I stopped spending serious money on them. The function is just to get the oven good and hot. Sounds like you are doing that. The only thing you could do that you might not already be doing is to put an oven thermometer in there to make sure it really IS 500.
If it didn’t rise as much as mine, it is probably more likely a factor of the dough itself. How long total is it rising before baking? I ask because it *could* be that the yeast is just all pooped out and that’s why you aren’t getting that last “umph” from it in the oven. That would be my guess. Next time give it perhaps a little less rising time. Since this video I have made a LOTTA Ciabatta! (haha) and in that time I’ve realized a few things: you don’t need to wait until the dough “more than doubles”. I can wait until it *almost* doubles. During that time I’ll do a couple stretch and folds (where I basically wet my hands, pick up the dough out of the rising container, & fold it and put it back in). That develops the gluten a bit and allows the bread to hold it’s shape a little better as things progress. After it has almost doubled in the container, I preheat the oven and dump the dough onto the counter (doing another stretch and fold in the process). I divide the dough about 30 minute before baking and form the loaves. Right before baking I transfer, no longer performing the “flip” because, due to the stretch and folds and shorter rise time, the bubbles are all in one place.
I know this is a lot of new info from the video, but it really doesn’t change much about the bread. I was simply having problems with my bubbles being TOO big and had to do some research on how to combat it. Give it a try and let me know how it goes!
Happy Ciabatta baking!